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I never got any money from you anam mr.

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Edwards I would like to make a

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disclosure which shall think which has

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never been revealed to the public this

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is the saucer life exploring the history

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and lore of flying saucers it's a

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podcast in which we explore concepts

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events for people from the world of

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flying saucers no preconceptions no

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snark no belief no debunking no flying

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welcome to an encounter 54 no

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alternative alternative three and a

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subsequent novel based on the television

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script was an example of a piece of

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impact from having been and continuing

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to be misunderstood misinterpreted and

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paranormal and conspiracy cultures it

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science report which wasn't really a

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1977 however the producers intended the

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the fact that its creators intended it

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documentary detailed an investigation

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into a supposed brain drain in the UK

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the grid it features the music of Brian

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Eno really and that's very cool and a

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they never told as much just at Robert

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some kind of work out there that's the

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last we heard it's not knowing that's

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the work yes I realized that the

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dialogue is coming out of one channel

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sorry about that it works better in some

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other scenes so the host of science

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report presents a bunch of footage

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clock Robert Pattinson and Brian

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our projected science report brain drain

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who were the people leaving this country

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families where did they go and why and

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a friend what was on that tape but what

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of the videotape which Ballantine had

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William Bellinger so they have a

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videotape that has nothing unusual about

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it and then a mysterious American man

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know how far you want to go think I'm

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can you know we do this thing my way

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of measles you know what I mean like

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the reporter and his cameras the next

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day and find Harry the contact he

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violently attacks him in the camera crew

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host described as a radical change some

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makers talked to Carl Kirsten dr. Carl

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happened the usual thing the politicians

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the conference discussion secret can you

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tell me anything about that

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replace it forget about it

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stranger area the strangest part of this

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satellite and the former astronaut seems

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what what the hell is really going on

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story it turns out that the US and the

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Soviet Union were cooperating in space

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off this one was there still time so who

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the mysterious disappearances that

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the real message of the mysterious

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videotape from Professor ballantine

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remember that to become useful they get

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it all hooked up and they see the

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surface of Mars and the radio

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transmissions of the scientists who are

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monitoring this footage which is coming

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in from a probe American and Russian

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voices report the atmospheric conditions

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are capable of supporting human life and

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this recording was made in 1962 so this

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is alternative three a human colony on

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Mars a way to preserve humanity's best

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and brightest the presenter closes and

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it's a bit grim whether a human survival

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colony has already been established on

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Mars or whether plans are still in

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preparation for its transportation from

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the moon

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to Mars we don't know but we put out

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this program tonight as a challenge to

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regret if the implications of what

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you've seen are less than optimistic for

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the future of life on this planet it has

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been our task however to present the

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facts as we understand them and to await

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the response good night

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so alternative three was produced in the

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same style as news programmes and

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documentaries of the time a normal 1970s

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film stock British film stock it has an

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eerie air of realism to it combined with

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an a look and dialogue that is actually

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reminiscent of a 1970s doctor whose

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story or an episode of in search of and

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actually speaking of 1970s Doctor Who

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stories as I am want to do this idea of

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of scientists and elite cadre of

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scientists or an elite cadre of anybody

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taking humanity's best and brightest and

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evacuating somewhere because of

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impending ecological disaster it was

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sort of used two years in a row in 1974

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an invasion of the dinosaurs and in 1975

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in the arkin space got a Pertwee one in

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74 and a Tom Baker one in 75 we've got

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this idea going on

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so this documentary featured actors

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well-known actors actors that were you

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know you could look him up in the

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British actors union directory one of

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them Shane Rimmer died last week he'd

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been in a 1960s episode of Doctor Who

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the gunfighters I'm this is turning into

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a Doctor Who trivia show but anyway

331
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these are actors they were listed in the

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credits as was that April 1st date so

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this is a hoax II sort of thing or a gag

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it's not a hoax it's not pretending to

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be real doesn't you know if people

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thought it was real which many did that

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doesn't really matter but in his review

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of the alternative three DVD release

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that came out

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while back reviewer Peter Wright asserts

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that alternative three quote remains an

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exemplary illustration of how the

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documentary mode albeit subverted can

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challenge complacency in this case

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complacency was over climatological

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crises alternative three was sort of in

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the same mode as the Orson Welles War of

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the Worlds radio broadcast prompting

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dozens of calls possibly not the tens of

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thousands later claimed two television

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stations either decrying such a

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frivolous joke or demanding more

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information about this vast conspiracy

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the effect of alternative three on

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actual ecological activism is unclear so

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that's the TV presentation it doesn't

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end there it actually just starts there

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what complicates everything is the fact

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that Leslie Watkins a journalist and

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occasional thriller writer in 1978 wrote

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a novel based on the program so now

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there's the TV program and a book and

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there's also something that I think will

364
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call notional alternative three ideas

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that were not extensively or even at all

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discussed in the program or the book but

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rather suggested by alternative three

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and what it's supposedly exposed now the

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problem with alternative three is that

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the original paperback got relatively

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little distribution in the United States

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and after the mid to late 80s it sort of

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disappeared so print copies became hard

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to find still it was more accessible

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than the actual television program so

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when as we'll see later in

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conspiratorial writings that talk about

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alternative three they are almost

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exclusively talking about the book so

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numerous pirated copies of the book

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would appear it will look at one in

382
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particular a bit later on but what's

383
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nice for us is that in 2016 this

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appeared on Amazon alternative three the

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1978 cult sci-fi classic republished

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with new material

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hooray this edition was published

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through Amazon's create space service

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and put together by Graham Watkins

390
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Leslie Watkins his son with Leslie's

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permission Leslie's retired and

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approaching 90 and living in New Zealand

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the motivation was was mostly according

394
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to Graham just to get it back into print

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at a decent price copies of the original

396
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book can go for hundreds and hundreds of

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dollars there's an entertaining foreword

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by Graham wherein he argues that despite

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the fantastical nature of what we're

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about to read much of the underlying

401
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facts are beyond question well we'll see

402
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now one question I need to address or a

403
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caveat I need to make is this I don't

404
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have the original 1978 version I don't

405
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know for sure if what Graham Watkins

406
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published is accurate there are some

407
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2016 era asides but these are clearly

408
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labeled for our purposes I'm going to

409
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treat this as authoritative and we'll

410
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see if that ends up being a good

411
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decision or not oh and there's a cover

412
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blurb that explains that it's the quote

413
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inspiration for Frank Jacobs 2015 film

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packing for Mars and that confused me a

415
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little I was familiar with Mary Roach's

416
00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:18,909
2010 book packing for Mars but not this

417
00:20:23,909 --> 00:20:21,730
2015 film I thought wow they made Mary

418
00:20:26,940 --> 00:20:23,919
Roach's very cool packing for Mars book

419
00:20:28,769 --> 00:20:26,950
into a film some checking tells me it

420
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was produced by some disclosure movement

421
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types and was indeed inspired by

422
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alternative three the ripoff title was I

423
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presume a shady marketing move to glom

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on to a well-regarded book but let's

425
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remember we're not in the business of

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speculation I told you that would come

427
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back so onto the book itself it starts

428
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with a little piece headed strands in

429
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the web the frightening Lea erratic

430
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behavior of the climate of the past few

431
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years unidentified flying object

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activity at an all-time peak the

433
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continuing pollution and despoil ation

434
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of planet Earth by overpopulation and

435
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Industry the mounting incidents of

436
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unexplained disappearances of people and

437
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mysterious circumstances horrendous new

438
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killing techniques

439
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spontaneous combustion used by

440
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government assassins against those who

441
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pose a threat to the security of an

442
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ultra-secret organization terrifying

443
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advances in mind control by agencies

444
00:21:29,210 --> 00:21:26,290
like the CIA and their use in creating a

445
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class of mindless human robot slaves

446
00:21:34,020 --> 00:21:31,690
astounding revelations of clandestine

447
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collaboration and space between the USA

448
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and the USSR over a period of decades

449
00:21:41,790 --> 00:21:39,280
bizarre features observed on the Moon

450
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and Mars but for some reason barely

451
00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:45,280
mentioned in the media see there there

452
00:21:50,550 --> 00:21:47,890
is our flying saucers they show up later

453
00:21:53,010 --> 00:21:50,560
- there's mentions throughout the thing

454
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in general the book follows the same

455
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broad strokes as the television program

456
00:21:59,070 --> 00:21:57,700
but provides a great deal more detail

457
00:22:01,640 --> 00:21:59,080
fleshing out things that were only

458
00:22:04,470 --> 00:22:01,650
hinted at the basic story is the same

459
00:22:06,510 --> 00:22:04,480
earth is becoming uninhabitable in

460
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response the US and the Soviet Union

461
00:22:11,250 --> 00:22:08,650
have colluded in a plan to move elements

462
00:22:13,590 --> 00:22:11,260
of humanity to Mars using the moon as a

463
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:13,600
staging point while the television

464
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program focuses almost exclusively on

465
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the transport of scientists the book

466
00:22:26,430 --> 00:22:22,330
expands on the idea of who is going to

467
00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:26,440
Mars and why professionals we have now

468
00:22:30,540 --> 00:22:28,450
established have been classifying people

469
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selected for the alternative 3 operation

470
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into two categories those who are picked

471
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as individuals and those who merely form

472
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part of a batch consignment there have

473
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been several batch consignments and it

474
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is the treatment meted out to most of

475
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these men and women which provides the

476
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greatest cause for outrage no matter how

477
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desperate the circumstances may be and

478
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we reluctantly recognize that they are

479
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extremely desperate no Humane Society

480
00:23:00,510 --> 00:22:56,980
could tolerate what has been done to the

481
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innocent and the gullible so these batch

482
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consignments are men and women from the

483
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general human population who will serve

484
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as a slave labor force one of the things

485
00:23:13,470 --> 00:23:10,960
I like about the book is that there is a

486
00:23:15,570 --> 00:23:13,480
figure called Trojan he's an alternative

487
00:23:17,850 --> 00:23:15,580
3 insider and he's fed the author

488
00:23:19,710 --> 00:23:17,860
transcripts of meetings between members

489
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of the ruling committee of Americans and

490
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Russians wherein they argue and sort of

491
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these guarded terms about who needs to

492
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be murdered because they talk too much

493
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and other fun stuff and they refer sort

494
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of in a cryptic fashion to these

495
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assassinations as expediency 'he's a

496
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very bland bureaucratic term the other

497
00:23:41,820 --> 00:23:39,550
thing I like is the inside story of the

498
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science report programs process of

499
00:23:47,310 --> 00:23:44,980
making the show and how one of scepter

500
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:47,320
television network that's what Watkins

501
00:23:53,010 --> 00:23:50,010
renames Anglia TV one of scepters

502
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executives kept trying to cancel the

503
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alternative three episode we'll find out

504
00:23:59,160 --> 00:23:57,190
later that he was an operative of

505
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alternative three and he will of course

506
00:24:05,910 --> 00:24:02,080
pay with his life because that episode

507
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:05,920
did make it to air Watkins also grounds

508
00:24:10,980 --> 00:24:08,890
his story in things that the more

509
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:10,990
conspiracy minded among you will

510
00:24:17,460 --> 00:24:13,690
recognize CIA mind control and

511
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biological experimentation for example

512
00:24:21,780 --> 00:24:19,180
these are things that had been revealed

513
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to the public during this same mid to

514
00:24:25,620 --> 00:24:23,260
late seventies period things like

515
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:25,630
MKULTRA it got a lot of play and was

516
00:24:30,060 --> 00:24:27,610
used as evidence that the US government

517
00:24:32,220 --> 00:24:30,070
has no qualms about co-opting the

518
00:24:34,890 --> 00:24:32,230
scientific establishment for nefarious

519
00:24:36,660 --> 00:24:34,900
purposes documented Soviets

520
00:24:38,610 --> 00:24:36,670
psychological experimentation and

521
00:24:41,070 --> 00:24:38,620
Punishment is used as a parallel to the

522
00:24:43,140 --> 00:24:41,080
CIA efforts bolstering the claims of

523
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:43,150
superpower cooperation at the heart of

524
00:24:49,950 --> 00:24:47,770
the narrative basically if Leslie

525
00:24:53,150 --> 00:24:49,960
Watkins had not taken this alternative

526
00:24:57,150 --> 00:24:53,160
three and turned it into this massive

527
00:24:59,940 --> 00:24:57,160
conspiracy novel somebody would have or

528
00:25:01,200 --> 00:24:59,950
it would have just been added on to it

529
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:01,210
or somebody would have written a novel

530
00:25:07,260 --> 00:25:04,450
like this already because all of these

531
00:25:11,790 --> 00:25:07,270
things the idea of human population

532
00:25:13,950 --> 00:25:11,800
explosion ecological collapse government

533
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:13,960
cover-ups these were all really coming

534
00:25:20,130 --> 00:25:17,290
of age in the 1970s and so the upshot of

535
00:25:22,470 --> 00:25:20,140
all this in the book is that humanity is

536
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:22,480
facing a coming darkness far more bleak

537
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:26,770
even than the TV show presented in the

538
00:25:31,650 --> 00:25:28,450
days before the American Civil War

539
00:25:33,570 --> 00:25:31,660
slaves had no right to a family no right

540
00:25:36,450 --> 00:25:33,580
to keep their own children and they had

541
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:36,460
no property they were property that

542
00:25:41,539 --> 00:25:39,330
horrifying philosophy we can now prove

543
00:25:45,350 --> 00:25:41,549
has been adopted by the space slave

544
00:25:48,109 --> 00:25:45,360
masters of the 70s space slave masters

545
00:25:51,409 --> 00:25:48,119
of the 70s has to be a pulp sci-fi novel

546
00:25:53,299 --> 00:25:51,419
somewhere it just has to be so another

547
00:25:55,940 --> 00:25:53,309
expansion in the watkins book is an

548
00:25:57,019 --> 00:25:55,950
explanation of what alternatives 1 and 2

549
00:25:58,549 --> 00:25:57,029
actually works

550
00:26:01,159 --> 00:25:58,559
something not spelled out in the

551
00:26:04,639 --> 00:26:01,169
television program alternative one was

552
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:04,649
pretty science ii basically the earth is

553
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:06,690
heating up let's use nuclear weapons to

554
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:08,369
blast holes in the atmosphere to let the

555
00:26:13,879 --> 00:26:11,129
heat out into space it was judged to be

556
00:26:17,810 --> 00:26:13,889
kind of dumb but kind of science ii

557
00:26:20,989 --> 00:26:17,820
sounding alternative to was not science

558
00:26:23,060 --> 00:26:20,999
ii at all there is good reason to

559
00:26:25,220 --> 00:26:23,070
believe that this world was once more

560
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:25,230
civilized and far more scientifically

561
00:26:29,180 --> 00:26:26,730
advanced than it is today

562
00:26:31,399 --> 00:26:29,190
said Gersten are really distant

563
00:26:33,739 --> 00:26:31,409
ancestors living millennia before what

564
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:33,749
we call prehistoric man had progressed

565
00:26:38,690 --> 00:26:35,970
far beyond our present stage of

566
00:26:40,940 --> 00:26:38,700
knowledge there's evidence quite

567
00:26:42,619 --> 00:26:40,950
considerable evidence to suggest that

568
00:26:44,539 --> 00:26:42,629
there were once whole cities linked by

569
00:26:46,849 --> 00:26:44,549
an elaborate complex of tunnels far

570
00:26:48,499 --> 00:26:46,859
below the surface remains of them have

571
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:48,509
been found under many parts of the world

572
00:26:53,629 --> 00:26:51,330
and in this subterranean world so it is

573
00:26:55,759 --> 00:26:53,639
said there is a green luminescence which

574
00:26:58,220 --> 00:26:55,769
places the Sun as a source of energy and

575
00:27:02,659 --> 00:26:58,230
would make it possible for crops to be

576
00:27:06,470 --> 00:27:02,669
grown Richard shaver would like some

577
00:27:08,710 --> 00:27:06,480
royalties from this book mr. Watkins so

578
00:27:11,210 --> 00:27:08,720
we have some flying saucers we have

579
00:27:12,710 --> 00:27:11,220
speculation about alien civilizations

580
00:27:15,409 --> 00:27:12,720
those make appearances here and there

581
00:27:18,229 --> 00:27:15,419
it's almost an obligatory thing given

582
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:18,239
the subject matter oh and another sort

583
00:27:24,609 --> 00:27:19,970
of difference from the television show

584
00:27:27,529 --> 00:27:24,619
astronaut Bob Grodin comes to a sad end

585
00:27:29,869 --> 00:27:27,539
we traced him to a mental hospital on

586
00:27:31,609 --> 00:27:29,879
the outskirts of Philadelphia he was

587
00:27:33,889 --> 00:27:31,619
allowed no visitors at least that's what

588
00:27:36,289 --> 00:27:33,899
we're told we tried to insist on seeing

589
00:27:37,970 --> 00:27:36,299
him but they were emphatic quite out of

590
00:27:40,340 --> 00:27:37,980
the question they said his condition was

591
00:27:42,259 --> 00:27:40,350
too severe and anyway a visit would be

592
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:42,269
pointless Grodin couldn't string

593
00:27:47,899 --> 00:27:44,970
together two consecutive words his mind

594
00:27:49,820 --> 00:27:47,909
was completely gone Grodin's death was

595
00:27:52,710 --> 00:27:49,830
reported in the newspapers in January

596
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:52,720
1978 suicide

597
00:27:57,060 --> 00:27:55,210
that's what the world was told Croton

598
00:27:58,800 --> 00:27:57,070
had not at pyjama trousers around his

599
00:28:00,930 --> 00:27:58,810
neck and hanged himself from a hot water

600
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:00,940
pipe fixed high on the wall of his room

601
00:28:06,420 --> 00:28:03,490
we have suspicions that he may have been

602
00:28:08,670 --> 00:28:06,430
the victim of an expediency but without

603
00:28:11,580 --> 00:28:08,680
evidence there can be no more than

604
00:28:13,950 --> 00:28:11,590
suspicions but the area in which the

605
00:28:16,140 --> 00:28:13,960
book goes far beyond the television

606
00:28:17,550 --> 00:28:16,150
program the most is in its discussion of

607
00:28:19,890 --> 00:28:17,560
what was to be done with the batch

608
00:28:21,930 --> 00:28:19,900
consignments the collections of humans

609
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:21,940
to be transported into space as a labor

610
00:28:26,790 --> 00:28:24,250
force in some of the leaked documents

611
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:26,800
from trojan we see elements of the

612
00:28:33,660 --> 00:28:30,250
horrible truth the policy committee

613
00:28:35,430 --> 00:28:33,670
briefings circulated on September 7 1965

614
00:28:38,820 --> 00:28:35,440
explained the necessity for all

615
00:28:40,410 --> 00:28:38,830
components to be desexed one to

616
00:28:42,390 --> 00:28:40,420
eliminate the possibility of them

617
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:42,400
forming traditional mating relationships

618
00:28:46,770 --> 00:28:44,170
which could detract from the efficiency

619
00:28:49,290 --> 00:28:46,780
of their sole function performance two

620
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:49,300
to ensure components do not procreate

621
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:51,730
and so haphazardly perpetuate a

622
00:28:58,320 --> 00:28:55,690
substandard species well how would you

623
00:29:00,240 --> 00:28:58,330
get people to go along with this that's

624
00:29:02,130 --> 00:29:00,250
where the mind control comes in they're

625
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:02,140
going to eliminate self will and

626
00:29:08,580 --> 00:29:04,210
self-interest they're going to create a

627
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:08,590
race of mindless slaves so some of the

628
00:29:16,430 --> 00:29:13,330
experts the designated movers whose

629
00:29:19,710 --> 00:29:16,440
skills are needed to preserve humanity

630
00:29:22,290 --> 00:29:19,720
they are housed on the moon at a place

631
00:29:24,630 --> 00:29:22,300
called Archimedes Base it's a transit

632
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:24,640
camp which is language borrowed from the

633
00:29:29,460 --> 00:29:27,130
Nazis a transit camp where people await

634
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:29,470
their final transportation to Mars so

635
00:29:34,170 --> 00:29:32,170
here you've got the experts and also the

636
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:34,180
slaves of the batch consignments but

637
00:29:39,150 --> 00:29:36,210
they were to be kept separated because

638
00:29:40,890 --> 00:29:39,160
there was a fear that the experts moral

639
00:29:43,170 --> 00:29:40,900
feelings would be injured by their

640
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:43,180
learning the truth the climax of the

641
00:29:47,460 --> 00:29:45,730
book comes when some of them the experts

642
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:47,470
learned the truth of the treatment of

643
00:29:52,170 --> 00:29:49,210
slaves and attempt to get back to earth

644
00:29:54,540 --> 00:29:52,180
to expose alternative 3 through a series

645
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:54,550
of catastrophes Archimedes base is

646
00:29:58,950 --> 00:29:56,410
destroyed hundreds are killed and

647
00:30:02,030 --> 00:29:58,960
alternative threes plans are set back

648
00:30:04,570 --> 00:30:02,040
years the book closes with this

649
00:30:07,570 --> 00:30:04,580
addressing the question of fact versus

650
00:30:09,669 --> 00:30:07,580
fiction there's just one final point for

651
00:30:11,529 --> 00:30:09,679
us to make on the back cover of this

652
00:30:14,620 --> 00:30:11,539
book you will note one word which you

653
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:14,630
may consider puzzling fiction why

654
00:30:18,850 --> 00:30:16,690
fiction that's a valid question

655
00:30:20,529 --> 00:30:18,860
especially in view of the fact that so

656
00:30:22,690 --> 00:30:20,539
much of our evidence particularly that

657
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:22,700
quoted from newspapers was already a

658
00:30:27,519 --> 00:30:25,970
matter of public record well we did

659
00:30:29,769 --> 00:30:27,529
mention the politicians tried to

660
00:30:31,210 --> 00:30:29,779
suppress this book that too in Britain

661
00:30:33,610 --> 00:30:31,220
sought injunctions to prevent its

662
00:30:36,389 --> 00:30:33,620
publication and we did explain that we

663
00:30:38,310 --> 00:30:36,399
were forced into a reluctant compromise

664
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:38,320
need we say more

665
00:30:42,850 --> 00:30:41,690
we're just presenting this as fiction so

666
00:30:46,899 --> 00:30:42,860
they let us publish it

667
00:30:48,009 --> 00:30:46,909
wink wink it's fiction wink wink nothing

668
00:30:49,990 --> 00:30:48,019
in here is true

669
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:50,000
wink wink except the stuff that's been

670
00:30:53,399 --> 00:30:52,130
publicly reported in the newspapers wink

671
00:30:57,940 --> 00:30:53,409
wink

672
00:31:00,330 --> 00:30:57,950
can you see why people might have been

673
00:31:03,490 --> 00:31:00,340
willing to believe some of this

674
00:31:07,870 --> 00:31:03,500
in summary alternative 3 by Leslie

675
00:31:09,820 --> 00:31:07,880
Watkins is fun I loved it it was it's

676
00:31:10,870 --> 00:31:09,830
it's kind of pulpy it's kind of it's

677
00:31:12,220 --> 00:31:10,880
kind of trashy it's kind of

678
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:12,230
sensationalistic but there's enough

679
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:14,330
stuff from the time from newspaper

680
00:31:18,820 --> 00:31:16,250
reports that it just makes you think

681
00:31:21,190 --> 00:31:18,830
that you know if you were to write a

682
00:31:23,019 --> 00:31:21,200
really good conspiracy novel this would

683
00:31:25,299 --> 00:31:23,029
be the way to do it I highly recommend

684
00:31:29,049 --> 00:31:25,309
it especially now that that you can get

685
00:31:30,940 --> 00:31:29,059
it for like 16 bucks on Amazon so what

686
00:31:33,759 --> 00:31:30,950
was the impact and aftermath of this

687
00:31:36,879 --> 00:31:33,769
book a conspiracy researcher and writer

688
00:31:39,549 --> 00:31:36,889
Jim Keith addressed the topic in a 1994

689
00:31:42,340 --> 00:31:39,559
book called alternative three UFOs

690
00:31:44,860 --> 00:31:42,350
secret societies and world control later

691
00:31:48,430 --> 00:31:44,870
republished as case book on alternative

692
00:31:51,070 --> 00:31:48,440
three the book took the slightly nuanced

693
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:51,080
view that while alternative three the TV

694
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:53,210
show and the book might have been a hoax

695
00:31:58,690 --> 00:31:55,970
the underlying ideas of environmental

696
00:32:00,700 --> 00:31:58,700
collapse government cover-ups and a plot

697
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:00,710
to save the elite at the expense of the

698
00:32:06,190 --> 00:32:03,250
masses these were documented facts

699
00:32:07,990 --> 00:32:06,200
documented facts being a somewhat artful

700
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:08,000
term when dealing with conspiracy

701
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:11,090
culture Keith acknowledges that quote

702
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:13,490
for the debunker alternative 3 is a

703
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:17,090
sitting duck alternative 3 is a teleplay

704
00:32:20,180 --> 00:32:18,210
and a book which

705
00:32:21,830 --> 00:32:20,190
Earley lacks substantiation and the book

706
00:32:24,020 --> 00:32:21,840
in particular is written in a style

707
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:24,030
identical to the weekly world news of

708
00:32:27,970 --> 00:32:26,250
two-headed space alien gives birth to

709
00:32:30,380 --> 00:32:27,980
Elvis end quote

710
00:32:32,900 --> 00:32:30,390
but there are strands that are important

711
00:32:34,460 --> 00:32:32,910
things alternative 3 brings up the Keith

712
00:32:36,590 --> 00:32:34,470
is able to spin off and talk about

713
00:32:38,450 --> 00:32:36,600
mostly in terms of research he'd already

714
00:32:40,850 --> 00:32:38,460
done for other books which is you know

715
00:32:43,670 --> 00:32:40,860
that's just working smart chapters like

716
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:43,680
UFOs in the secret space program missing

717
00:32:48,170 --> 00:32:46,050
scientists discussions of population

718
00:32:50,050 --> 00:32:48,180
control conspiracy theories that were

719
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:50,060
connected with ecological concerns

720
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:52,770
general explorations of how the media

721
00:32:57,380 --> 00:32:54,690
may be used by governments as conduits

722
00:32:59,930 --> 00:32:57,390
for disinformation theories about secret

723
00:33:02,600 --> 00:32:59,940
bases on the moon batch consignments

724
00:33:04,910 --> 00:33:02,610
there's a lot to digest in Jim Keith's

725
00:33:07,450 --> 00:33:04,920
book to be fair though there's a lot to

726
00:33:11,290 --> 00:33:07,460
digest in all of Jim Keith's books

727
00:33:14,420 --> 00:33:11,300
so while alternative three was a sham

728
00:33:16,850 --> 00:33:14,430
the parts so to speak were greater than

729
00:33:19,130 --> 00:33:16,860
the some if that makes sense things

730
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:19,140
discussed might be true and as keith

731
00:33:22,850 --> 00:33:21,210
says quote while perfectly secured my

732
00:33:24,860 --> 00:33:22,860
knowledge that the TV show in the book

733
00:33:27,230 --> 00:33:24,870
are basically yellow journalism using

734
00:33:29,060 --> 00:33:27,240
scare tax to make a pound I'm a little

735
00:33:31,490 --> 00:33:29,070
shocked to realize that at most levels

736
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:31,500
anyway the revelations of alternative

737
00:33:37,010 --> 00:33:34,770
three are also true and he closes with

738
00:33:39,050 --> 00:33:37,020
an ominous warning he'd just finished

739
00:33:42,710 --> 00:33:39,060
the discussion of rejuvenation drugs

740
00:33:44,810 --> 00:33:42,720
being developed for humanity's elite is

741
00:33:47,450 --> 00:33:44,820
this the final vision of alternative 3

742
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:47,460
are we poised at the edge of the final

743
00:33:50,900 --> 00:33:49,290
Sun during that hit learn visioned we're

744
00:33:52,850 --> 00:33:50,910
immortal controllers assume complete

745
00:33:55,130 --> 00:33:52,860
control over the bees of the hive is

746
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:55,140
that the ultimate rationale for the

747
00:33:59,780 --> 00:33:57,090
alternative 3 plan or a surrogate of it

748
00:34:03,470 --> 00:33:59,790
but for the game to continue everyone

749
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:03,480
can't be a god it is necessary that any

750
00:34:07,790 --> 00:34:05,850
program of world domination to achieve

751
00:34:10,130 --> 00:34:07,800
total control must include broad

752
00:34:12,650 --> 00:34:10,140
psychological mastery over populations

753
00:34:15,100 --> 00:34:12,660
through propaganda drugs television

754
00:34:17,590 --> 00:34:15,110
religion or other mind control means

755
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:17,600
physical control meaning hives

756
00:34:22,490 --> 00:34:19,770
concentration camps or contingency

757
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:22,500
programs for same must also be in place

758
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:24,690
so that mass labor may be utilized in an

759
00:34:29,090 --> 00:34:27,450
economical fashion the control group

760
00:34:30,770 --> 00:34:29,100
should also have military strike

761
00:34:31,220 --> 00:34:30,780
capabilities for both offense and

762
00:34:33,230 --> 00:34:31,230
defense

763
00:34:35,690 --> 00:34:33,240
preferably also possessing secret

764
00:34:38,510 --> 00:34:35,700
technology in advance of that of rival

765
00:34:40,129 --> 00:34:38,520
control factors finally plans for the

766
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:40,139
preservation of the elite in the event

767
00:34:44,090 --> 00:34:42,450
of war social upheaval sudden

768
00:34:46,159 --> 00:34:44,100
recognition by the masses or other

769
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:46,169
catastrophe should be in place this

770
00:34:50,270 --> 00:34:47,850
broad outline of controls is a

771
00:34:53,270 --> 00:34:50,280
repetition in almost all specifics of

772
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:53,280
the details of alternative 3 it may also

773
00:34:57,530 --> 00:34:55,290
be an accurate reflection of the schemes

774
00:35:00,790 --> 00:34:57,540
of the shadow masters judging historical

775
00:35:03,530 --> 00:35:00,800
events and ominous current indications

776
00:35:05,720 --> 00:35:03,540
ultimately the details hardly matter

777
00:35:07,940 --> 00:35:05,730
because of the single conclusion which

778
00:35:09,500 --> 00:35:07,950
must be drawn to the men who control

779
00:35:12,109 --> 00:35:09,510
this world and they're well paid and

780
00:35:14,690 --> 00:35:12,119
smiling front men we are all ultimately

781
00:35:17,300 --> 00:35:14,700
part of a batch consignment nothing more

782
00:35:19,220 --> 00:35:17,310
and unless society is transformed from

783
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:19,230
the inhuman control state that we live

784
00:35:23,420 --> 00:35:21,090
in unless the history of world

785
00:35:25,490 --> 00:35:23,430
domination is exposed and strategies for

786
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:25,500
its elimination implemented then the

787
00:35:29,810 --> 00:35:27,450
human race is doomed to live out this

788
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:29,820
real world of alternative 3

789
00:35:36,620 --> 00:35:34,410
I got creeped out just reading that so

790
00:35:38,060 --> 00:35:36,630
this is one example of an emerging

791
00:35:40,460 --> 00:35:38,070
pattern of behavior and thoughts

792
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:40,470
surrounding the alternative 3 phenomenon

793
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:42,690
as michael barkun points out in his book

794
00:35:47,090 --> 00:35:44,970
a culture of conspiracy apocalyptic

795
00:35:49,250 --> 00:35:47,100
visions in contemporary America quote

796
00:35:51,770 --> 00:35:49,260
even those willing to acknowledge that

797
00:35:53,810 --> 00:35:51,780
alternative 3 was trumped up insisted

798
00:35:55,450 --> 00:35:53,820
that its core argument might very well

799
00:35:58,040 --> 00:35:55,460
be true end quote

800
00:36:00,440 --> 00:35:58,050
without easy access to the film or the

801
00:36:02,450 --> 00:36:00,450
novel however would be debunkers found

802
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:02,460
difficult to fully disprove many

803
00:36:10,220 --> 00:36:06,930
alternative 3 based claims so beyond Jim

804
00:36:13,490 --> 00:36:10,230
Keith who is I I'm a fanboy of Jim Keith

805
00:36:15,770 --> 00:36:13,500
he's in a world sort of all his own so

806
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:15,780
beyond Jim Keith how did the conspiracy

807
00:36:22,010 --> 00:36:19,170
world react to alternative 3 regardless

808
00:36:23,810 --> 00:36:22,020
of the the sort of surface level hoaxing

809
00:36:27,050 --> 00:36:23,820
nature of it it took on a life of its

810
00:36:29,270 --> 00:36:27,060
own after broadcast and publication as a

811
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:29,280
lasting staple of conspiracy theories

812
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:31,770
from the late 70s through today this

813
00:36:36,260 --> 00:36:33,810
influence on both paranormal and para

814
00:36:38,060 --> 00:36:36,270
political conspiracy theory culture has

815
00:36:41,540 --> 00:36:38,070
largely taken place in the United States

816
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:41,550
in the US alternative 3 was 1/2 her tail

817
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:44,010
always tantalizingly out of reach

818
00:36:48,770 --> 00:36:46,410
removed from it's close enough to April

819
00:36:50,690 --> 00:36:48,780
first origin the ideas would be worked

820
00:36:52,910 --> 00:36:50,700
and reworked over the decades becoming

821
00:36:55,660 --> 00:36:52,920
intertwined with huge numbers of other

822
00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:55,670
conspiracy theories in many ways

823
00:36:59,840 --> 00:36:57,930
reflecting what Watkins did with his

824
00:37:03,109 --> 00:36:59,850
novelistic expansion of the television

825
00:37:04,430 --> 00:37:03,119
program beginning in the 1990s as the

826
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:04,440
book was becoming less and less

827
00:37:09,740 --> 00:37:08,010
available participants in online UFO and

828
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:09,750
the conspiracy oriented communities

829
00:37:14,150 --> 00:37:12,210
began to refer to alternative three not

830
00:37:15,740 --> 00:37:14,160
as as an established hoax

831
00:37:18,290 --> 00:37:15,750
which might have been based on some

832
00:37:21,470 --> 00:37:18,300
real-world things but rather as a

833
00:37:25,370 --> 00:37:21,480
strange and mysterious but fundamentally

834
00:37:27,349 --> 00:37:25,380
true source in and of itself one poster

835
00:37:30,650 --> 00:37:27,359
- a bulletin board system in a text

836
00:37:35,450 --> 00:37:30,660
document titled simply alt 3 dot txt

837
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:35,460
wrote according to well-informed US

838
00:37:40,099 --> 00:37:37,890
intelligence sources alternative 3 is a

839
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:40,109
plan to colonize the planet Mars with a

840
00:37:44,170 --> 00:37:42,090
cross-section of persons from all major

841
00:37:46,940 --> 00:37:44,180
areas of human knowledge and culture

842
00:37:49,340 --> 00:37:46,950
this project has been ongoing and under

843
00:37:50,780 --> 00:37:49,350
development for many years the public

844
00:37:52,849 --> 00:37:50,790
discussion of a manned mission to Mars

845
00:37:55,460 --> 00:37:52,859
distracts from claims of well-placed

846
00:37:58,310 --> 00:37:55,470
sources that we've already had manned

847
00:38:02,060 --> 00:37:58,320
missions to Mars is the foregoing all

848
00:38:03,980 --> 00:38:02,070
true I don't know I wasn't there but the

849
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:03,990
people who do know are now speaking up

850
00:38:08,270 --> 00:38:05,850
because what you are reading is most

851
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:08,280
likely just the tip of the iceberg of

852
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:10,050
what is really going on with our manned

853
00:38:15,470 --> 00:38:12,530
missions and our presence in space

854
00:38:20,030 --> 00:38:15,480
well-informed US intelligence sources

855
00:38:22,010 --> 00:38:20,040
who who cares it sounds good and it

856
00:38:24,820 --> 00:38:22,020
sounds ominous and heck there's a book

857
00:38:27,620 --> 00:38:24,830
right if there's a book it must be true

858
00:38:29,270 --> 00:38:27,630
one of the most significant aspects of

859
00:38:31,250 --> 00:38:29,280
alternative 3 is the manner in which a

860
00:38:34,460 --> 00:38:31,260
wide variety of theorists writers and

861
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:34,470
commenters would co-opt various aspects

862
00:38:38,300 --> 00:38:35,970
of the show and bend it to their own

863
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:38,310
particular theories preconceived notions

864
00:38:43,010 --> 00:38:41,130
and biases this poster that we just

865
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:43,020
heard focused on the aspects of

866
00:38:47,599 --> 00:38:45,330
alternative 3 which verified his or her

867
00:38:50,300 --> 00:38:47,609
ideas about secret space programs our

868
00:38:53,359 --> 00:38:50,310
old pal bill Cooper wrote the following

869
00:38:56,350 --> 00:38:53,369
concerning alternative 3 in his 1991

870
00:38:57,940 --> 00:38:56,360
book behold a pale horse

871
00:38:59,860 --> 00:38:57,950
three alternatives included birth

872
00:39:01,600 --> 00:38:59,870
control sterilization and the

873
00:39:03,460 --> 00:39:01,610
introduction of deadly microbes to

874
00:39:06,550 --> 00:39:03,470
control or slow the growth of Earth's

875
00:39:09,310 --> 00:39:06,560
population aids is only one result of

876
00:39:11,140 --> 00:39:09,320
these plans it was decided by the elite

877
00:39:12,850 --> 00:39:11,150
that since the population must be

878
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:12,860
reduced and controlled it would be in

879
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:14,450
the best interest of the human race to

880
00:39:19,420 --> 00:39:17,090
rid ourselves of undesirable elements of

881
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:19,430
our society specifically targeted

882
00:39:26,500 --> 00:39:22,010
populations included blacks Hispanics

883
00:39:28,390 --> 00:39:26,510
and homosexuals ladies and gentlemen the

884
00:39:30,430 --> 00:39:28,400
television version the print version of

885
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:30,440
alternative three did not cover any

886
00:39:36,010 --> 00:39:33,170
plans to eliminate unwanted members of

887
00:39:38,500 --> 00:39:36,020
humanity unwanted members of humanity as

888
00:39:40,720 --> 00:39:38,510
Cooper describes if there were if there

889
00:39:43,630 --> 00:39:40,730
were unwanted members of humanity they

890
00:39:46,930 --> 00:39:43,640
would have been taken to Mars as slaves

891
00:39:52,660 --> 00:39:46,940
I get the impression bill Cooper didn't

892
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:52,670
actually read alternative three I get

893
00:39:59,440 --> 00:39:54,770
the impression bill Cooper didn't read a

894
00:40:01,480 --> 00:39:59,450
lot of stuff actually but again who

895
00:40:03,850 --> 00:40:01,490
cares in the relative absence of

896
00:40:06,220 --> 00:40:03,860
anything against which readers could

897
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:06,230
check these claims Cooper and others

898
00:40:10,890 --> 00:40:08,450
could use alternative three to support

899
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:10,900
nearly any assertion they wanted to make

900
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:13,850
aids is the responsibility of the elite

901
00:40:17,500 --> 00:40:15,650
to eliminate undesirable parts of the

902
00:40:19,810 --> 00:40:17,510
population Wow where'd you hear that

903
00:40:24,990 --> 00:40:19,820
well it's part of alternative three man

904
00:40:27,790 --> 00:40:25,000
it's all in alternative 3 oh no it's not

905
00:40:29,500 --> 00:40:27,800
anyway as the documentary was not

906
00:40:31,390 --> 00:40:29,510
available in the United States at least

907
00:40:33,790 --> 00:40:31,400
through any mass distribution channels

908
00:40:35,410 --> 00:40:33,800
until the early 2000s many of the claims

909
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:35,420
about alternative 3 were based on the

910
00:40:40,750 --> 00:40:38,210
novel although there were pirated VHS

911
00:40:43,150 --> 00:40:40,760
copies circulating bill Cooper sold a

912
00:40:45,790 --> 00:40:43,160
very poor quality one and I've actually

913
00:40:47,890 --> 00:40:45,800
got a copy of that in my collection

914
00:40:50,380 --> 00:40:47,900
thanks to friend of the show Adam go

915
00:40:53,020 --> 00:40:50,390
rightly the video quality's about what

916
00:40:56,380 --> 00:40:53,030
you'd expect from a pirated VHS tape and

917
00:40:59,260 --> 00:40:56,390
the book wasn't to obtain the state's

918
00:41:01,260 --> 00:40:59,270
leading longtime UFO writer publicist

919
00:41:04,330 --> 00:41:01,270
and hoax or great Barker to claim rather

920
00:41:07,630 --> 00:41:04,340
extravagantly that it been banned from

921
00:41:10,060 --> 00:41:07,640
sale in the United States may Brussels a

922
00:41:13,540 --> 00:41:10,070
prominent conspiracy theorist newsletter

923
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:13,550
radio broadcaster in the 70s and 80s had

924
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:15,530
a radio show that I have not been able

925
00:41:19,420 --> 00:41:17,930
to find a copy of I found a bunch of her

926
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:19,430
other shows but not this one

927
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:22,610
she claimed on the air that alternative

928
00:41:29,140 --> 00:41:26,930
3 after she read it quote made her made

929
00:41:32,110 --> 00:41:29,150
her quote nauseous and I wanted to vomit

930
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:32,120
and I wanted to faint I wanted to cry

931
00:41:35,590 --> 00:41:34,010
I wanted to bang the walls down I

932
00:41:38,050 --> 00:41:35,600
literally had the shakes for about a

933
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:38,060
week it was so scary because it could

934
00:41:42,250 --> 00:41:39,410
just be the bottom line of these

935
00:41:43,870 --> 00:41:42,260
conspiracies I believe that probably is

936
00:41:46,270 --> 00:41:43,880
the most important book I've read in

937
00:41:48,010 --> 00:41:46,280
many many years I don't have any doubt

938
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:48,020
in my mind that this is a very dangerous

939
00:41:52,690 --> 00:41:50,690
document to have probably the most

940
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:52,700
dangerous thing which I possess in my

941
00:41:59,320 --> 00:41:55,570
library at this point end quote

942
00:42:03,730 --> 00:41:59,330
now may Brussels was no slouch she was

943
00:42:06,430 --> 00:42:03,740
was one of the the key prominent JFK

944
00:42:09,870 --> 00:42:06,440
assassination investigators of the 1970s

945
00:42:13,030 --> 00:42:09,880
and 1980s and and and was a scrupulous

946
00:42:17,050 --> 00:42:13,040
researcher that she seems to have bought

947
00:42:18,850 --> 00:42:17,060
into this hook line and sinker that's

948
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:18,860
what I thought when I'd read the may

949
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:21,530
Brussels quotation before I'd gotten my

950
00:42:26,470 --> 00:42:23,570
hands on a copy of the alternative 3

951
00:42:28,780 --> 00:42:26,480
book because the book much more than the

952
00:42:33,370 --> 00:42:28,790
TV show which I had seen several years

953
00:42:36,250 --> 00:42:33,380
ago the book lays things out with such

954
00:42:39,300 --> 00:42:36,260
detail with regard to things that had

955
00:42:42,130 --> 00:42:39,310
already been uncovered and documented

956
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:42,140
that it's very chilling

957
00:42:48,010 --> 00:42:44,930
we'd seen pieces of assassinations we'd

958
00:42:51,850 --> 00:42:48,020
seen threats of ecological disaster we'd

959
00:42:55,060 --> 00:42:51,860
seen new weapons we'd seen government

960
00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:55,070
experimentation but now we see all of

961
00:43:01,120 --> 00:42:57,530
these things together in one master

962
00:43:04,090 --> 00:43:01,130
narrative and I can see how it could be

963
00:43:06,610 --> 00:43:04,100
kind of frightening on message boards

964
00:43:09,370 --> 00:43:06,620
and websites mentions of alternative 3

965
00:43:12,460 --> 00:43:09,380
even today spark a firestorm of debate

966
00:43:14,110 --> 00:43:12,470
over its truth or falsehood so what did

967
00:43:17,380 --> 00:43:14,120
Leslie Watkins have to say about all

968
00:43:18,940 --> 00:43:17,390
this in the late 80s he wrote a letter

969
00:43:21,550 --> 00:43:18,950
to the owner of the wind' words

970
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:21,560
bookstore and it's surfaced on various

971
00:43:25,650 --> 00:43:23,330
bulletin board systems

972
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:25,660
apparently penguin books had the book

973
00:43:33,970 --> 00:43:29,690
alternative three listed in its

974
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:33,980
nonfiction catalog by mistake walk-ins

975
00:43:39,070 --> 00:43:36,650
agent insisted it was fiction walk-ins

976
00:43:44,020 --> 00:43:39,080
attempt to clarify this led to continued

977
00:43:46,390 --> 00:43:44,030
speculation that that the book was in

978
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:46,400
fact meant to be released as nonfiction

979
00:43:54,130 --> 00:43:50,330
but but faked as fiction at the last

980
00:43:57,340 --> 00:43:54,140
minute as a cover up but then Watkins in

981
00:43:59,920 --> 00:43:57,350
this letter gets kind of goofy and and

982
00:44:02,680 --> 00:43:59,930
says that it was based on fact but uses

983
00:44:06,070 --> 00:44:02,690
but quote uses that fact as a launchpad

984
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:06,080
for a high dive into fiction end quote

985
00:44:11,980 --> 00:44:09,050
so it's like well it's fiction well but

986
00:44:13,930 --> 00:44:11,990
there's fact in it but the fact informed

987
00:44:16,540 --> 00:44:13,940
the fiction and it's fiction but there

988
00:44:18,370 --> 00:44:16,550
is a lot of fact in it and that's the

989
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:18,380
narrative that kind of keeps going and

990
00:44:25,510 --> 00:44:21,890
and Watkins Watkins is is a canny guy

991
00:44:28,210 --> 00:44:25,520
and would later in a newspaper article

992
00:44:29,740 --> 00:44:28,220
in I think I think in New Zealand where

993
00:44:31,990 --> 00:44:29,750
he had moved to was sort of complaining

994
00:44:34,420 --> 00:44:32,000
about how people were blaming him for

995
00:44:36,190 --> 00:44:34,430
starting panics and things he talks

996
00:44:38,140 --> 00:44:36,200
about how he did have a lot of evidence

997
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:38,150
that that many more of the things were

998
00:44:42,910 --> 00:44:40,130
real than anybody knew about but that

999
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:42,920
that evidence mysteriously vanished when

1000
00:44:47,230 --> 00:44:44,570
he moved to New Zealand so his planned

1001
00:44:48,940 --> 00:44:47,240
to write a sequel to alternative three

1002
00:44:51,100 --> 00:44:48,950
where he explained exactly what was fact

1003
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:51,110
and exactly what was fiction never

1004
00:44:55,870 --> 00:44:52,970
panned out which is just a great way to

1005
00:44:58,150 --> 00:44:55,880
just keep drumming up interest while

1006
00:45:03,130 --> 00:44:58,160
making other people increasingly

1007
00:45:06,970 --> 00:45:03,140
paranoid so a final complication and

1008
00:45:09,370 --> 00:45:06,980
some points of confusion as I said the

1009
00:45:11,140 --> 00:45:09,380
video was very rare and if anything with

1010
00:45:13,390 --> 00:45:11,150
the book was at times even more

1011
00:45:17,890 --> 00:45:13,400
difficult to come by there were text

1012
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:17,900
files of questionable transcriptions for

1013
00:45:21,970 --> 00:45:19,490
a long time even back in the days when

1014
00:45:24,910 --> 00:45:21,980
pirating books meant retyping the text

1015
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:24,920
like some kind of digital monk in 2010

1016
00:45:30,250 --> 00:45:27,530
however an anonymous editor released

1017
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:30,260
onto the internet a PDF of alternative

1018
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:33,770
three published supposedly by Archimedes

1019
00:45:40,069 --> 00:45:37,170
press with offices in Natick in the UK

1020
00:45:42,049 --> 00:45:40,079
as well as in Bremen Germany no such

1021
00:45:44,089 --> 00:45:42,059
company seems to actually exist and I

1022
00:45:47,299 --> 00:45:44,099
assume their name is a reference to the

1023
00:45:49,099 --> 00:45:47,309
Archimedes base in the book this Edition

1024
00:45:51,260 --> 00:45:49,109
has a new foreword by the anonymous

1025
00:45:53,720 --> 00:45:51,270
editor and is released under a creative

1026
00:45:55,940 --> 00:45:53,730
commons license rather than a copyright

1027
00:45:59,410 --> 00:45:55,950
but the language isn't the standard

1028
00:46:02,180 --> 00:45:59,420
Creative Commons language listen to this

1029
00:46:04,130 --> 00:46:02,190
the editor has made the digital version

1030
00:46:06,349 --> 00:46:04,140
of this work available under a Creative

1031
00:46:08,150 --> 00:46:06,359
Commons license you are welcome to share

1032
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:08,160
it with your friends until served with

1033
00:46:12,650 --> 00:46:10,530
an injunction the digital version may be

1034
00:46:14,950 --> 00:46:12,660
reproduced copied and distributed for

1035
00:46:17,270 --> 00:46:14,960
non-commercial purposes

1036
00:46:20,539 --> 00:46:17,280
now folks I've done a lot of work with

1037
00:46:21,859 --> 00:46:20,549
Creative Commons stuff and free welcome

1038
00:46:24,319 --> 00:46:21,869
to share it with your friends until

1039
00:46:24,710 --> 00:46:24,329
served with an injunction is not how it

1040
00:46:27,980 --> 00:46:24,720
works

1041
00:46:32,270 --> 00:46:27,990
the editor does not seem to have a very

1042
00:46:36,940 --> 00:46:32,280
high opinion of the book itself and sees

1043
00:46:39,410 --> 00:46:36,950
it as a solid bit of disinformation

1044
00:46:41,839 --> 00:46:39,420
Watkins alternative three is a bona fide

1045
00:46:44,870 --> 00:46:41,849
diversion as is the original Anglia

1046
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:44,880
television hoax its aims are suspect as

1047
00:46:49,339 --> 00:46:46,770
it has been permitted life that better

1048
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:49,349
books have been denied it has assumed an

1049
00:46:53,569 --> 00:46:51,690
undeserved aura especially as so many

1050
00:46:55,730 --> 00:46:53,579
calculated deceptions lurk in the

1051
00:46:58,760 --> 00:46:55,740
details so how is one to read

1052
00:47:00,680 --> 00:46:58,770
alternative three carefully the heavy

1053
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:00,690
employment of misinformation should be

1054
00:47:05,240 --> 00:47:03,450
dealt with expeditiously herein you will

1055
00:47:07,490 --> 00:47:05,250
find a unique edition of alternative

1056
00:47:10,069 --> 00:47:07,500
three that has been edited of overt

1057
00:47:11,720 --> 00:47:10,079
misinformation while a large percentage

1058
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:11,730
of disinformation has been preserved

1059
00:47:15,710 --> 00:47:13,650
albeit in a form that aims to

1060
00:47:17,240 --> 00:47:15,720
reconstitute the little truths that have

1061
00:47:20,329 --> 00:47:17,250
previously been undermined by

1062
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:20,339
contrivance there is nothing admirable

1063
00:47:24,650 --> 00:47:22,770
about state secrets they're kept in an

1064
00:47:26,870 --> 00:47:24,660
effort to conceal professional failures

1065
00:47:30,020 --> 00:47:26,880
and more often an effort to armor the

1066
00:47:31,940 --> 00:47:30,030
impotent witting or not dissing formers

1067
00:47:34,370 --> 00:47:31,950
the tools of those that would keep and

1068
00:47:35,799 --> 00:47:34,380
reinforce secrets that would divide by

1069
00:47:40,190 --> 00:47:35,809
virtue of confusion

1070
00:47:42,020 --> 00:47:40,200
Leslie Watkins is one such tool the

1071
00:47:44,089 --> 00:47:42,030
editor claims that Watkins is actually a

1072
00:47:46,039 --> 00:47:44,099
pseudonym of David Ambrose who was the

1073
00:47:48,140 --> 00:47:46,049
screenwriter of the television version

1074
00:47:50,890 --> 00:47:48,150
of alternative 3 and an established

1075
00:47:52,779 --> 00:47:50,900
author I've not found any evidence to

1076
00:47:56,710 --> 00:47:52,789
support this and if anyone has and he

1077
00:47:58,480 --> 00:47:56,720
let me know in fact Watkins in his 2016

1078
00:48:01,150 --> 00:47:58,490
version referred to this claim

1079
00:48:02,769 --> 00:48:01,160
specifically and denied it honestly

1080
00:48:04,089 --> 00:48:02,779
David Ambrose is an award-winning

1081
00:48:06,069 --> 00:48:04,099
novelist and screenwriter who

1082
00:48:08,109 --> 00:48:06,079
acknowledges his work on alternative

1083
00:48:11,109 --> 00:48:08,119
three and I'm not sure of the value to

1084
00:48:13,359 --> 00:48:11,119
him of perpetuating a hoax were in he

1085
00:48:15,549 --> 00:48:13,369
invents Leslie Watkins publishes several

1086
00:48:17,859 --> 00:48:15,559
books as Watkins before alternative

1087
00:48:20,140 --> 00:48:17,869
three appears then maintains the hoax to

1088
00:48:22,299 --> 00:48:20,150
this very day inventing his son to

1089
00:48:24,370 --> 00:48:22,309
publish a copy of alternative three that

1090
00:48:27,339 --> 00:48:24,380
you can read for free if you're a Kindle

1091
00:48:31,420 --> 00:48:27,349
unlimited subscriber I really do think

1092
00:48:34,150 --> 00:48:31,430
it's two separate guys but in case you

1093
00:48:38,849 --> 00:48:34,160
missed it I want to reiterate this part

1094
00:48:42,099 --> 00:48:38,859
of what the anonymous editor wrote quote

1095
00:48:44,019 --> 00:48:42,109
herein you will find a unique edition of

1096
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:44,029
alternative three that has been edited

1097
00:48:50,079 --> 00:48:45,890
of overt misinformation

1098
00:48:55,510 --> 00:48:50,089
end quote this is not really Watkins

1099
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book and comparing this edition with the

1100
00:49:00,400 --> 00:48:57,940
Watkins book that is for sale on Amazon

1101
00:49:03,329 --> 00:49:00,410
reveals the following there re wordings

1102
00:49:06,339 --> 00:49:03,339
and edits seem to exist for no reason

1103
00:49:08,500 --> 00:49:06,349
other than as an ill thought out legal

1104
00:49:11,109 --> 00:49:08,510
dodge against accusations of copyright

1105
00:49:13,299 --> 00:49:11,119
violation paragraphs say basically the

1106
00:49:16,720 --> 00:49:13,309
same thing but are rewritten in most

1107
00:49:18,819 --> 00:49:16,730
cases they are made worse also there's

1108
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:18,829
things missing lots of things missing

1109
00:49:23,380 --> 00:49:21,170
the comparison to American slavery we

1110
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:23,390
heard isn't in there professor Kirsten

1111
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:25,130
who explained alternatives one two and

1112
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:28,130
three he's not in there alternatives one

1113
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:31,970
and two are completely different in this

1114
00:49:35,529 --> 00:49:34,010
Archimedes press version and it's about

1115
00:49:37,599 --> 00:49:35,539
repairing the magnetic field of the

1116
00:49:40,210 --> 00:49:37,609
earth nothing about subterranean caves

1117
00:49:43,510 --> 00:49:40,220
nothing in there about the Archimedes

1118
00:49:46,359 --> 00:49:43,520
base uprising there's other chunks of

1119
00:49:49,750 --> 00:49:46,369
narrative put in that sort of get to the

1120
00:49:51,910 --> 00:49:49,760
same conclusion but it's like the guy

1121
00:49:55,269 --> 00:49:51,920
wanted to write a book like alternative

1122
00:49:58,539 --> 00:49:55,279
three but somebody already beaten them

1123
00:50:00,339 --> 00:49:58,549
to it it's not the same book it swipes

1124
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:00,349
significant chunks but it's not

1125
00:50:04,150 --> 00:50:02,690
alternative three there's a bunch of

1126
00:50:06,309 --> 00:50:04,160
appendices there

1127
00:50:09,940 --> 00:50:06,319
an article clearly described as quote

1128
00:50:14,230 --> 00:50:09,950
reproduced without permission there's a

1129
00:50:15,549 --> 00:50:14,240
list of missing microbiologists who had

1130
00:50:17,829 --> 00:50:15,559
died under mysterious circumstances

1131
00:50:23,109 --> 00:50:17,839
which was compiled by conspiracy

1132
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:23,119
theorists Steve quale it's a mess you

1133
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:25,010
can get the real thing or as close to

1134
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:26,770
the real thing as you can get on Amazon

1135
00:50:34,809 --> 00:50:31,210
pretty cheap I advise you to do that in

1136
00:50:37,779 --> 00:50:34,819
closing as fuel for the conspiratorial

1137
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:37,789
fire here's a quotation from a recent

1138
00:50:45,220 --> 00:50:43,010
piece by astronaut Buzz Aldrin quote the

1139
00:50:47,020 --> 00:50:45,230
United States eyes and our unified

1140
00:50:49,059 --> 00:50:47,030
commitment should focus on opening the

1141
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:49,069
door in our time to the great migration

1142
00:50:53,470 --> 00:50:51,890
of humankind to Mars books aplenty have

1143
00:50:55,299 --> 00:50:53,480
been written about how to do this and

1144
00:50:57,010 --> 00:50:55,309
they have inspired government and

1145
00:50:59,230 --> 00:50:57,020
non-government leaders to make lofty

1146
00:51:01,630 --> 00:50:59,240
plans the plans without a detailed

1147
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:01,640
architecture and without a next step

1148
00:51:11,500 --> 00:51:05,530
into the future are just fantasy

1149
00:51:17,859 --> 00:51:11,510
what does Buzz Aldrin know what does he

1150
00:51:21,279 --> 00:51:17,869
know oh thank you for sticking with me

1151
00:51:24,670 --> 00:51:21,289
through that if you have you do not know

1152
00:51:27,670 --> 00:51:24,680
how long it took me to structure and

1153
00:51:31,240 --> 00:51:27,680
restructure and rewrite this thing to

1154
00:51:36,930 --> 00:51:31,250
make it make the amount of sense that it

1155
00:51:42,069 --> 00:51:39,400
Wednesday release Day was coming and I

1156
00:51:43,150 --> 00:51:42,079
had to get this done so maybe somewhere

1157
00:51:46,210 --> 00:51:43,160
down the line there's going to be a

1158
00:51:48,339 --> 00:51:46,220
tighter more concise version of this but

1159
00:51:50,019 --> 00:51:48,349
thanks for sticking with me in the show

1160
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:50,029
notes there's a link to the alternative

1161
00:51:54,970 --> 00:51:51,650
three video program it's available

1162
00:51:56,769 --> 00:51:54,980
secondhand and and online I highly

1163
00:52:00,039 --> 00:51:56,779
recommend Jim Keith's book on the

1164
00:52:00,849 --> 00:52:00,049
subject as well of course as the recent

1165
00:52:04,390 --> 00:52:00,859
republication

1166
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:04,400
of Leslie Watkins his book I absolutely

1167
00:52:09,609 --> 00:52:07,130
do not recommend the Archimedes press

1168
00:52:12,549 --> 00:52:09,619
free be stolen made up version of

1169
00:52:16,089 --> 00:52:12,559
alternative three unless you want to do

1170
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:16,099
some comparison and if somebody is able

1171
00:52:19,340 --> 00:52:17,490
to extract the text

1172
00:52:21,380 --> 00:52:19,350
the Kindle version of the Leslie Watkins

1173
00:52:26,180 --> 00:52:21,390
version and do a sort of automated

1174
00:52:30,220 --> 00:52:26,190
comparison of the two you need to find

1175
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:30,230
better ways to spend your time next time

1176
00:52:37,150 --> 00:52:33,570
we set the Wayback Machine to 1973

1177
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:37,160
because it was the year of the humanoids

1178
00:52:41,750 --> 00:52:39,810
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1179
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:41,760
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1180
00:52:45,230 --> 00:52:43,530
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1181
00:52:49,130 --> 00:52:45,240
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1182
00:52:51,980 --> 00:52:49,140
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1183
00:52:53,510 --> 00:52:51,990
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1184
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:53,520
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1185
00:52:59,750 --> 00:52:56,850
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1186
00:53:01,630 --> 00:52:59,760
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1187
00:53:04,940 --> 00:53:01,640
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1188
00:53:07,430 --> 00:53:04,950
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1189
00:53:10,790 --> 00:53:07,440
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